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		<title>Comment on The Afterlife of Objective Morality by On the Morality of Terraforming Mars @ Helian Unbound</title>
		<link>http://helian.net/blog/2011/11/10/morality/the-afterlife-of-objective-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-7766</link>
		<dc:creator>On the Morality of Terraforming Mars @ Helian Unbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is no way in which they can acquire objective legitimacy.  Elaborations on this theme may be found here and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Steven Pinker, Robert Ardrey, Konrad Lorenz, and the Blank Slate by The New York Times Discovers Human Nature @ Helian Unbound</title>
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		<dc:creator>The New York Times Discovers Human Nature @ Helian Unbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It happens that this very theory was mentioned favorably in The Social Contract one of Robert Ardrey&#8217;s lesser known books.  Now, Robert Ardrey was almost universally recognized by the Blank Slaters [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It happens that this very theory was mentioned favorably in The Social Contract one of Robert Ardrey&#8217;s lesser known books.  Now, Robert Ardrey was almost universally recognized by the Blank Slaters [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Soul of Eugene Marais and the Origin of a &#8220;Revolutionary Theory&#8221; by Michael Nelson</title>
		<link>http://helian.net/blog/2010/10/22/morality/the-soul-of-eugene-marais-and-the-origin-of-a-revolutionary-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-7707</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A response for Mr. Mertens; Is it because the nation of humans without a territory have written fables that condemn its reader to believe or suffer in the afterlife that the romantic fallacy still clings to life. Or that on any given night more TV watchers view the evening soup opera than pbs because fantasy is much more digestible than reality.  Or that being mature enough to accept the ultimate truth is too painful. Or etc......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A response for Mr. Mertens; Is it because the nation of humans without a territory have written fables that condemn its reader to believe or suffer in the afterlife that the romantic fallacy still clings to life. Or that on any given night more TV watchers view the evening soup opera than pbs because fantasy is much more digestible than reality.  Or that being mature enough to accept the ultimate truth is too painful. Or etc&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The LGF Pot Calls the Geller Kettle Black by Bare Naked Islam Shutdown by Word Press &#171; The NeoConservative Christian Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bare Naked Islam Shutdown by Word Press &#171; The NeoConservative Christian Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 00:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The idiocy of the hatred of LGF’s Charles Johnson has called Pamela Geller a racist bigot for her part in exposing Islam. Here is a Johnson quote on Geller I found on Helian Unbound: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The idiocy of the hatred of LGF’s Charles Johnson has called Pamela Geller a racist bigot for her part in exposing Islam. Here is a Johnson quote on Geller I found on Helian Unbound: [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Forgettable Philosophy of Konrad Lorenz by Helian</title>
		<link>http://helian.net/blog/2011/11/19/morality/the-forgettable-philosophy-of-konrad-lorenz/comment-page-1/#comment-7612</link>
		<dc:creator>Helian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing mysterious about the word &quot;transcendental&quot; in this context.  I borrowed it from John Stuart Mill to describe a morality that is objectively valid and legitimate in its own right.  As such, it &quot;transcends&quot; individual, subjective judgments.  A transcendental Good in this sense is &quot;Good in itself,&quot; valid regardless of the subjective judgment of this or that individual.  In fact, Harris is quite explicit about his belief in such a transcendental good.  For example, quoting from &lt;em&gt;The Moral Landscape&lt;/em&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Values, therefore, translate into facts that can be scientifically understood.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The goal of this book is to begin a conversation about how moral truth can be understood in the context of science.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope to show that when talking about values, we are actually talking about an interdependent world of facts. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;…I am arguing that science can, in principle, help us understand what we should do and should want – and, therefore, what other people should do and should want in order to live the best lives possible. My claim is that there are right and wrong answers to moral questions, just as there are right and wrong answers to questions of physics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and so on.  In other words, Harris is presenting us with a utilitarian version of the Good, somewhat similar to Mill&#039;s.  However, Mill understood the difference between subjective and objective, or transcendental, good, and was actually quite apologetic about the arbitrariness of associating the Good with utility writ large.  Not so Harris.  As is evident from the quotes above, and much else in &lt;em&gt;The Moral Landscape&lt;/em&gt;, he simply links the Good with &quot;living the best lives possible,&quot; &quot;human flourishing,&quot; etc., as if the link needed no explanation and were intuitively obvious to any intelligent human being.  In the first place, one could make no such connection between the Good and &quot;human flourishing,&quot; applicable not just to Sam Harris, but all the rest of us as well, unless the Good actually had an objective existence of its own.  In the second place, such a proceeding flies in the face of all the knowledge we have so painstakingly acquired about the wellsprings of morality in the evolved behavioral traits of our species; human nature if you will.

If you still don&#039;t see the connection, I suggest you Google &quot;Helian,&quot; and &quot;Harris.&quot;  I&#039;ve written several other posts on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing mysterious about the word &#8220;transcendental&#8221; in this context.  I borrowed it from John Stuart Mill to describe a morality that is objectively valid and legitimate in its own right.  As such, it &#8220;transcends&#8221; individual, subjective judgments.  A transcendental Good in this sense is &#8220;Good in itself,&#8221; valid regardless of the subjective judgment of this or that individual.  In fact, Harris is quite explicit about his belief in such a transcendental good.  For example, quoting from <em>The Moral Landscape</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Values, therefore, translate into facts that can be scientifically understood.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The goal of this book is to begin a conversation about how moral truth can be understood in the context of science.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>I hope to show that when talking about values, we are actually talking about an interdependent world of facts. </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>…I am arguing that science can, in principle, help us understand what we should do and should want – and, therefore, what other people should do and should want in order to live the best lives possible. My claim is that there are right and wrong answers to moral questions, just as there are right and wrong answers to questions of physics.</p></blockquote>
<p>and so on.  In other words, Harris is presenting us with a utilitarian version of the Good, somewhat similar to Mill&#8217;s.  However, Mill understood the difference between subjective and objective, or transcendental, good, and was actually quite apologetic about the arbitrariness of associating the Good with utility writ large.  Not so Harris.  As is evident from the quotes above, and much else in <em>The Moral Landscape</em>, he simply links the Good with &#8220;living the best lives possible,&#8221; &#8220;human flourishing,&#8221; etc., as if the link needed no explanation and were intuitively obvious to any intelligent human being.  In the first place, one could make no such connection between the Good and &#8220;human flourishing,&#8221; applicable not just to Sam Harris, but all the rest of us as well, unless the Good actually had an objective existence of its own.  In the second place, such a proceeding flies in the face of all the knowledge we have so painstakingly acquired about the wellsprings of morality in the evolved behavioral traits of our species; human nature if you will.</p>
<p>If you still don&#8217;t see the connection, I suggest you Google &#8220;Helian,&#8221; and &#8220;Harris.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve written several other posts on the subject.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Forgettable Philosophy of Konrad Lorenz by mercadeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mercadeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see the connection between what you&#039;ve written here and the contents of The Moral Landscape. &quot;This good is perceived as a real thing, having an existence of its own transcending individual minds.&quot; There is nothing that is explicitly transcendent about the philosophy that Harris promotes in the book. If there is something implicit, I wish you&#039;d expound on it here or point to where you&#039;ve clarified this. More to the point, I&#039;d like to see your response to the comparison Harris makes between &quot;flourishing&quot; and &quot;health&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see the connection between what you&#8217;ve written here and the contents of The Moral Landscape. &#8220;This good is perceived as a real thing, having an existence of its own transcending individual minds.&#8221; There is nothing that is explicitly transcendent about the philosophy that Harris promotes in the book. If there is something implicit, I wish you&#8217;d expound on it here or point to where you&#8217;ve clarified this. More to the point, I&#8217;d like to see your response to the comparison Harris makes between &#8220;flourishing&#8221; and &#8220;health&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Robert Ardrey and the Amity/Enmity Complex by The Forgettable Philosophy of Konrad Lorenz @ Helian Unbound</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Forgettable Philosophy of Konrad Lorenz @ Helian Unbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was still in vogue.  Of these, Lorenz was the second most effective.  The most effective was Robert Ardrey.  As proof of this assertion, we have the testimony of the blank slaters themselves, conveniently [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Robert Ardrey and the Amity/Enmity Complex by Ingroups and Outgroups: All Things Old are New Again @ Helian Unbound</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingroups and Outgroups: All Things Old are New Again @ Helian Unbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it on a firm theoretical basis well over half a century ago. As Robert Ardrey, who called it the Amity/Enmity Complex, wrote of it a couple of decades later, it was, &#8220;the resolution of a paradox posed by Darwin, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it on a firm theoretical basis well over half a century ago. As Robert Ardrey, who called it the Amity/Enmity Complex, wrote of it a couple of decades later, it was, &#8220;the resolution of a paradox posed by Darwin, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Jonathan Haidt, The Happiness Hypothesis, and Historical Narratives by Helian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry about neglecting the blog.  Taking a new job and moving across country can be distracting.  

Heaven forefend that Ardrey&#039;s work should ever become the basis for a new religion.  I&#039;m sure it&#039;s the last thing he would have wanted.  He always made a point of emphasizing that he wasn&#039;t omniscient.  He was much too brilliant a man to want to become the founder of some new system.

As for Montagu, he actually did the world a great service by giving it &quot;Man and Aggression.&quot;  That little book documents the fact, based on the testimony of the most influential blank slaters of the day, that Ardrey was their most influential and credible opponent, at least from the time he appeared on the scene through 1968, when the book was published, with Konrad Lorenz a close second.  In doing so he saved us the trouble of refuting the imaginary history of the demise of the Blank Slate created by Steven Pinker in his book of that name.  Instead, we can just laugh about it, and point to Montagu&#039;s book.  Pinker went to a great deal of trouble writing his tome, citing the works of all sorts of scientists and philosophers, many of whom I strongly suspect he never read, or at least didn&#039;t understand.  John Stuart Mill and Margaret Mead come to mind.  But to top it all off, it turns out that this &quot;historian&quot; of the blank slate had never even read the work of Ardrey and Lorenz, its two most effective and devastating opponents, at all.  The current textbooks of Evolutionary Psychology are similarly reticent about telling the truth, to the extent that their authors even know it.  It&#039;s just too embarrassing for them to admit that the entire guild of behavioral scientists and related academic gentry could have been so wrong, and a &quot;mere playwright&quot; so right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry about neglecting the blog.  Taking a new job and moving across country can be distracting.  </p>
<p>Heaven forefend that Ardrey&#8217;s work should ever become the basis for a new religion.  I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s the last thing he would have wanted.  He always made a point of emphasizing that he wasn&#8217;t omniscient.  He was much too brilliant a man to want to become the founder of some new system.</p>
<p>As for Montagu, he actually did the world a great service by giving it &#8220;Man and Aggression.&#8221;  That little book documents the fact, based on the testimony of the most influential blank slaters of the day, that Ardrey was their most influential and credible opponent, at least from the time he appeared on the scene through 1968, when the book was published, with Konrad Lorenz a close second.  In doing so he saved us the trouble of refuting the imaginary history of the demise of the Blank Slate created by Steven Pinker in his book of that name.  Instead, we can just laugh about it, and point to Montagu&#8217;s book.  Pinker went to a great deal of trouble writing his tome, citing the works of all sorts of scientists and philosophers, many of whom I strongly suspect he never read, or at least didn&#8217;t understand.  John Stuart Mill and Margaret Mead come to mind.  But to top it all off, it turns out that this &#8220;historian&#8221; of the blank slate had never even read the work of Ardrey and Lorenz, its two most effective and devastating opponents, at all.  The current textbooks of Evolutionary Psychology are similarly reticent about telling the truth, to the extent that their authors even know it.  It&#8217;s just too embarrassing for them to admit that the entire guild of behavioral scientists and related academic gentry could have been so wrong, and a &#8220;mere playwright&#8221; so right.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Jonathan Haidt, The Happiness Hypothesis, and Historical Narratives by Jim Hetherington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hetherington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 00:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you are enjoyed your extended vacation and am anxious to read your next post.  I remember your comment that you monitor the traffic to your site, which is considerable, but viewer comments were low.  I think the reason  is that your writing is so powerful, viewers may be intimidated to measure up to the standard you set.  That&#039;s why I don&#039;t respond more often.

I recently re-read African Genesis, and enjoyed it more than the first time because I absorbed more of his evidence, which he modestly called an inquiry.  I think his books could easily become a foundation for a new Scientology-type religion, as it unintentionally mirrors a belief system that makes more and more sense as scientific advances validate his observations.  The fact that Stanley Kubrick incorporated Ardrey&#039;s fundamental idea into the best sci-fi movie ever made, 2001 A Space Odyssey, (which I saw 100 times as a $1.10 an hour usher in high school),  makes me a junkie for whatever you write about him.

Kubrick&#039;s museum curator  states Arthur Clarke was marginalized after Kubrick read African Genesis, because Clarke’s Sentinel  never looked backward, only forward, and made observations about the present.  His book came out after the movie.  What’s with that?

Ardrey, along with Raymond Dart, simply state what humanists don’t want to contemplate. Dart was thrown a bone after the 40-year Piltdown academic disgrace and allowed to name Australopithecine Africanus (since deemed an extinct offshoot).  You posted the neurological science breakthroughs and no doubt the science cannot be muzzled at this point, even with the bowdlerized Naked Ape and Montague’s  excusionist rants. What they miss is out-group hostility fosters in-group cooperation.

Ardrey’s book is such a liberation for me, as a 12-year inmate of Catholic education.  I never quite understood the basis of original sin.  Now I know.  Mankind, you are off the hook;  don&#039;t feel guilt because Nature made you this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you are enjoyed your extended vacation and am anxious to read your next post.  I remember your comment that you monitor the traffic to your site, which is considerable, but viewer comments were low.  I think the reason  is that your writing is so powerful, viewers may be intimidated to measure up to the standard you set.  That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t respond more often.</p>
<p>I recently re-read African Genesis, and enjoyed it more than the first time because I absorbed more of his evidence, which he modestly called an inquiry.  I think his books could easily become a foundation for a new Scientology-type religion, as it unintentionally mirrors a belief system that makes more and more sense as scientific advances validate his observations.  The fact that Stanley Kubrick incorporated Ardrey&#8217;s fundamental idea into the best sci-fi movie ever made, 2001 A Space Odyssey, (which I saw 100 times as a $1.10 an hour usher in high school),  makes me a junkie for whatever you write about him.</p>
<p>Kubrick&#8217;s museum curator  states Arthur Clarke was marginalized after Kubrick read African Genesis, because Clarke’s Sentinel  never looked backward, only forward, and made observations about the present.  His book came out after the movie.  What’s with that?</p>
<p>Ardrey, along with Raymond Dart, simply state what humanists don’t want to contemplate. Dart was thrown a bone after the 40-year Piltdown academic disgrace and allowed to name Australopithecine Africanus (since deemed an extinct offshoot).  You posted the neurological science breakthroughs and no doubt the science cannot be muzzled at this point, even with the bowdlerized Naked Ape and Montague’s  excusionist rants. What they miss is out-group hostility fosters in-group cooperation.</p>
<p>Ardrey’s book is such a liberation for me, as a 12-year inmate of Catholic education.  I never quite understood the basis of original sin.  Now I know.  Mankind, you are off the hook;  don&#8217;t feel guilt because Nature made you this way.</p>
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